Chris Kraus with Martin Rumsby

Chris Kraus: The present moment always radicalises everything... I wanted everything to be current, contemporary, right now, even when looking at history.

Martin Rumsby: Paul Thek, an artist who was celebrated, he left America, was shown in Europe... was catalogued, but the work was bulky, it became inconvenient, the places that supported it destroyed his work when they were trusted to look after it and then he was written out of art history and no longer exists. That's an important story: the way art history is constructed.

Chris Kraus: That's the real story, being that there is no such thing as something that is objectively great or objectively monumental or objectively worthwhile. All of that occurs by consensus, what the culture believes at that moment is important.